Clemens just reached Pete Rose level

[R13]

very true

[1inStripes]

[quote=raider13]i just dont believe a guy like mcnamee, i mean he could be tellling the truth here but he's lied so much..quote]

Do you know for sure that he has lied?

[R13]

just going by what was all over the news about him...I mean the biggest problem he has had is his credibility...that just isnt an issue for no reason...so obviously he has been caught lying alot

[imported_PioneerBlue]

Clemens is a bum, the guy was gonna sit back and let Andy Pettite take the fall and deny everything. Look at Clemens and Bonds, the pitcher and the hitter that have beaten the odds and stayed on top of their game longer than most are capable. Coincidence? I think not.

[1inStripes]

But you can't name one thing that you know for sure he is lieing about r13. Same with Clemens for that matter, but McNamee has come out looking a lot more truthful at this point.

Anytime you are in this situation your credibility is going to be shot down by the defendents lawyers, especially when they are a lot higher priced, unless you have video evidence that completely proves it.

[imported_Counts]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1inStripes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We are talking about stuff that gives you a competitive edge, but heck I say ban them too for getting caught using that stuff I don't have a problem with it. </div></div>


There is ALOT of stuff that can give you a competitive advantage and so long as baseball had not banned that meathod I do not see how it could be considered cheating (Now that baseball has banned it I agree it would NOW be cheating)

[1inStripes]

Like I said, ban them for that crap too if it is illegal by law.

[imported_Counts]

Ban them for something they did several years ago but are not doing now?

[R13]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1inStripes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But you can't name one thing that you know for sure he is lieing about r13. Same with Clemens for that matter, but McNamee has come out looking a lot more truthful at this point.

Anytime you are in this situation your credibility is going to be shot down by the defendents lawyers, especially when they are a lot higher priced, unless you have video evidence that completely proves it. </div></div>


I knwo i cant and like you said cant either with Clemens...but mcnamee may very well be telling the truth...i guess i just dont want to believe it because he's my fav pitcher of all time lol...but one of them is lying

[1inStripes]

Ban any records, ban any HOF opportunity. Why not? They cheated. People set in jail for years after their crimes, not just the day they get caught.